Right Wing - Mr. Scott is not so hostile, but still missing the point

Here's James Scott's latest reply to me:

Here is the text you sent:"Or at least a lot of people truly believe that these days. That one seemed to have worked. Stupid stupid people." (This was your insult towards people who know of Lt. Colonel North's hearings..) And those comments are deserving of the same! "Even McCain is having to rebut it to his followers...(although it seems ok for Palin to keep inferring that he "PALS around with Terrorist.") Ugh. So tired of this stuff."Again, your words, facts are something you may not be interested in but should be available...

WILLIAM AYERS is not someone many would have as a Professor at a college, apparently you feel differently. That is you and BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and his pals, like LOUIS FARRAKHAN, JEREMIAH WRIGHT and PFELGER. MORE HATE AMERICA CRAP...Read Dinish D'Souza's book, here is a Muslim telling us why they hate us! The main reason Muslims hate us, according to this Muslim is our lack of Religious Conviction or Adherence, that and our lack of morals...oh yes and we are not yet a Islamic Nation, much to Louis Farrakhan's dismay and others.

"check it out before you pass it on. If you can't verify it, don't pass it on." I would challange you to do the same.

As for how to read Lt. Colonel North's Congressional testimony, you are on the right track, if I locate the manuscript, with my work schedule before you, I'll be more than happy to forward. And by the way, it doesn't seem a little odd to you that no one is a little concerned with national security, not even McCain, that they would at least ask the man about this reality. They pound other politicans on everything and this is completely overlooked. No I am not comfortable without questions and answers, not at this time in our history and the war Radical Islam has wagged on all of the world. I wish I could say it has been nice speaking to you but the indignation of being called stupid brings out my disdain for those perverting truth, and I have no recourse but to stand for truth.

Call me what you may, but to us you are the very, very scary one...you don't recognize terrorist from within, another good read "Enemy from Within" by Dinesh D'Souza. Book reference to the testimony is "Taking the Stand", which by the way, I believe he did not receive loyalities from because it is Public Record. I see your preference is the Obama ticket with the blessings of the Leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan and the "God damn America" pastor of Obama, Mr. Jeremiah Wright. Very impressive also is the self proclaimed terrorist William Ayers, still standing on the flag of the United States of America on the cover of his last book in what 2001. Yea this is what I look for in the President of the United States!!!

Let's just agree to disagree, if you want truth the book is still available and my guess is, still part of our Public Records, at least today.

I'm a tax-paying, hard working, bitter gun owner too...Proud to be voting against Barack Hussein Obama. STAND FOR SOMETHING OR FALL FOR ANYTHING.

-------------------

Here's what I had to say in reply:

Mr. Scott,

Let me say that I appreciate the reduction in anger in your tone. It was truly uncalled for in your previous emails, and I do not believe that I have been that way toward you or any others who believe differently than me.

Yes, I do believe that anyone who believes that Obama is an ARAB and a TERRORIST which is what I said - are stupid stupid people. He is neither. Yet there are many people, like the one McCain corrected when that comment was made, who seem to believe this because they have heard it repeated over and over...

My email with information disputing what you sent regarding Oliver North, and my comments about Obama only made reference to passing on incorrect or untrue statements. (As compared to you venomous rampage with questionable accusations - at best - made in your response.)

I too have a distain for those preventing the truth or distributing lies and falsehoods - which is why I referenced calling Obama an Arab and a terrorist. I didn't call YOU stupid in the original email – although maybe you must have just taken it personal because you DO believe him to be both Arab and a terrorist.

You also clearly believe the exaggerations of the Ayers connections. From what I have seen and read, Obama has not denied these connections, and made full disclosure of what they were, but that is not enough for those who don't agree with his ideology or campaign, as there continue to be many implications that imply that it is more than he has stated.

It has been documented (as well as agreed to by Obama) that the connection is limited to a few occasions/situations.

Here is what is documented: (Please provide factual documentation that indicates the relationship is more than this.)

Ayers hosted a meet the candidate in his home and gave a $200 contribution to his campaign when Obama ran for Senate – AND they were both on two charity boards. (And they live in the same neighborhood - big deal.)

The Charitable boards they worked on jointly were the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Challenge Project - which by the way was funded by Nixon Ambassador and Reagan friend Walter Annenberg. Republican Governor Jim Edgar, who wrote to Walter Annenberg to encourage the creation of the Challenge, joined Mayor Daley to announce the formation of the Challenge and his administration continued to work closely on education reform with the Board. John McCain has praised an initiative funded by the Challenge. The Challenge's work is still carried on today through to the bipartisan Chicago Public Education Fund, which coordinates closely Chicago Public Schools CEO Arne Duncan and Mayor Daley to improve teacher performance and has included such board members as Illinois Republican Party Chair Andrew McKenna - Hardly a liberal group of supporters would you say?

I have not seen anything other than accusations that the relationship goes further than that.

One could also claim that McCain pals around with terrorists in the same way as has been asserted by you and others:

G. Gordon Liddy hosted a fundraiser in his own home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign (giving $4,000 then, and another $1000 this year for his presidential run) The two have posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007. As a presidential candidate, McCain was recently the a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show.

McCain actually heaped praise on his values, saying that he was "proud" of Liddy, and praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." Which values does he praise??

During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) These are things he ADMITS to.

During the 1990s, Liddy also reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents.

This is a person McCain admires and is proud of?

McCain's comments about his friendship with Liddy is this (on David Letterman last week): "I know Gordon Liddy. He paid his debt. He went to prison, he paid his debt, as people do. I'm not in any way embarrassed to know Gordon Liddy."

This to me sounds like the pot calling the kettle black my friend.

McCain recently condemned an add regarding Obama's connection with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and he has publicly asked state party leaders to take it off the air.

(Quoting his response) Again, your words, facts are something you may not be interested in but should be available...WILLIAM AYERS is not someone many would have as a Professor at a college, apparently you feel differently. That is you and BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and his pals, like LOUIS FARRAKHAN, JEREMIAH WRIGHT and PFELGER. MORE HATE AMERICA CRAP...Read Dinish D'Souza's book, here is a Muslim telling us why they hate us! The main reason Muslims hate us, according to this Muslim is our lack of Religious Conviction or Adherence, that and our lack of morals...oh yes and we are not yet a Islamic Nation, much to Louis Farrakhan's dismay and others.

First of all, there is no need to reference books regarding how much we are hated by the Radical Islamic Muslims. I would ALSO agree that the Radical Islamic Muslims do hate us, and will always be a threat to our country.

That does not mean ALL Muslims are terrorists, so I do hope you are not bigoted in that assumption being inferred by many. And while you may believe your religion is the only religion, and those who aren't a part of it are damned to hell… this is a free country (one reason we are the best country in the world) so I would also hope that you do not hold judgment over any who have different beliefs.

I will be honest, I have not gotten to researching the Farrakhan's or Pfelger's connection…but I will. Again, I welcome factual reference to the connections you infer.

Secondly, I would not take any classes from Ayers, nor do I support the acts he committed in the past, but having associations with people who we don't agree with happens to us all. And if I DID take a class from him, it certainly wouldn't make ME a terrorist. I have personally been on school boards with MANY people I disagreed with, and currently work with Board members I personally detest, but it does not align me with them or their beliefs. Can you for a moment see how that could possibly be the case with Obama?

(Quoting his response) check it out before you pass it on. If you can't verify it, don't pass it on. I would challange you to do the same.

What had I not verified in the first email I sent? While you may not like the references I used, I HAD researched story…you included nothing to confirm the allegations in your original post regarding the Oliver North Osama connection…

However you were very quick to insinuate that you HAD read the testimony in the Library of Congress records implying that anyone who hadn't done so is a moron - quite uncalled for, rude.., and hypocritical I might add. (FYI, I did see the book "Taking the Stand" listed at the library records, but it was not available, and none of my local book stores had it, as it is out of print - but I was making every attempt to find it sans buying it online.) Nonetheless, even the Senate website disputes the claim, so what more do you need? Or do you think there is a conspiracy to hide the truth even there in some way?

(Quoting his response) the "God damn America" pastor... I'm a tax-paying, hard working, bitter gun owner too...Proud to be voting against Barack Hussein Obama. STAND FOR SOMETHING OR FALL FOR ANYTHING.

As for "God damn America" - I believe that Ms Palin's support of the Alaskan Independence Party should be equally un patriotic and un American. No ,she is not currently a member, (though there are reports that she and her husband were members in 1994 - but I have not found more than an ABC report quoting the parties secretary at the time making the claim) but she herself said a video for the Alaska Independence Party convention that she "shares their parties vision...".

Part of their platform (according to their website) is to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution....and To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature." which in a nutshell, they advocate that the 49th state declare itself a sovereign nation. And party representatives have been quoted as saying they have "no use for America or her damned institutions," and in their own words puts Alaska, not "country," first?

Being a gun owner is great – we all have that right – to which I ALSO agree – being a bitter gun owner is scary.

We can agree to disagree, because clearly we believe different information sources – and nothing will probably change that – but I DO welcome factual information – not allegations - about the claims you make.

And let me also say, that while your original email was quite hostile and in my opinion inflammatory, the exchange has been educational probably for both of us – which is a good thing.

OMG! Radical Extremist Right Wing Idiots

I recently replied to an email that a friend sent that claimed Oliver North had outed Osama Bin Ladin back when he was questioned during the Iran Contra scandal (supposedly by Al Gore no less.) http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

I googled online to see if it was factual, and found many references, including the snopes.com - that indicated it was false. So being the vigilant person that I am, wanting to squash the false information from being passed on to those who don't do any research...(As has happened OVER and OVER and OVER with false information about Obama.)

I replied to all who had received the email, with links to the websites I'd found repudiating (McCain's favorite word) the story.

Here's two more links that I found later that can validate that the Ollie story is fictional:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/ollie.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/Oliver_North.shtml

The Really SCARY thing is that this fella represents SO MANY uneducated Republicans that really believe this stuff. The damage these idiots can do to our country by conitnually passing on false information and lies is right up there with other terrorists. Extreme religious freaks that think their way is the only way ~ forcing their beliefs upon everyone regardless of the outcome...and anyone who disagrees -it's to hell with all of those who think differently.

Here is his RIDICULOUS unedited reply (in blue) I got from a JAMES SCOTT motherdaisy2@earthlink.net. Might I add that I don't know him from Adam, but he was the original sender of the email that was forwarded to me from my friend.)

The thing is, if you didn't know any better, you'd think he might know what he was talking about as he spews the bullshit...in capital letters no less... to make his point...

Here is his reply:

That subject line was meant for you, you don't have a clue...You should have checked it out yourself with a reliable source, one that is not on the Obama Advertising Campaign !! One lie of yours at a time for people who obviously don't give a hoot about Truth, America or her Safety!! I will also be glad to forward this information, for as of today, it is still history. We are not sure how long it will take to be changed for the politically correct, "America the Terrible" crowd such as Professor William Ayers and his cronies that would love to try and alter it~~

Number One: It would help if you just had some recent American History, not to mention Islamic History but since you don't, here is some facts for you and those idiot sites you reference, available through what is currently known as READING...It is called Documented Historical Records on Colonial Oliver North's Televised Hearings, (remember those you genius?) Well, for those who have watched this, and there were millions, as it was televised and later put into PRINT, notwithstanding the most famous one, ARCHIVED IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, moron...so I dare you to pick up a copy at your LIBRARY AND READ FOR YOURSELF. The information passed on is absolute, factual & definitive, and it cannot be altered by the likes of you, NOR THE OTHERS WHO SIMPLY JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!! Everything that was said concerning Colonial Oliver North are FACTS...and you, along with www.whocaresabouttruthorficition.com or the proven www.snopes.com along with CNN (Communist News Network) or the most unreliable the Dis-Associated Press, just plain CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH~~

Number Two: Just to entertain your cover up, one only has to look at www.snopes.com on BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the claim that was made months ago on him being raised Muslim! They state that as False, their reason for this is 'He attended only as a young child but wasn't influenced". Now, genius, you may have your head stuck in the sand or other places... but not all of us follow that thinking or denial on your part!! He not only was schooled in a Madrassa in Kenya, at an early age, where there was Radical Islamic teaching, but also his biological Father and Step-Father raised him in the Muslim Faith. That should have been enough for www.snopes.com to state the claim anything but False, he attended and was raised as a Muslim and anyone who wants to know the truth that is also available, because BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ACKNOWLEDGED IT HIMSELF...AGAIN IT IS CALLED READING, his book would help...they even follow the false statement claim with the listed history and further it with near Advertising plug for him!! You, with your referenced information sites, that guess what, Miss Genius, these sites are ran by someone who we don't even know, nor, know anything about them or their political agenda, who imputed the information they word and deem correct and people like you don't question the in EXTREMELY FALSE INFORMATION...but you would have us just accept and believe they are truthful statements, even though on Colonial North it is archived!! You just proved another INACCURATE CLAIM AND FALSE STATEMENT concerning Colonial Oliver North, WHICH WITH YOUR HELP THEY ARE PERPETRATING!

Number Three: The Imam at that school was of the Radical Islamic Doctrine, maybe you can do some actual research on this and fill us in with his Name in the future, it is out there and I don't have it available at present or I would be glad to share.His Mother was either Atheist or Agnostic at best.His, so called pastor of 20 Years is of the Radical AFRICAN THEOLOGY, WHICH, IF HIS TIRADE WASN'T ENOUGH TO PROVE IT, with his "God Damn America" in the house of God, YOUR TOO SICK TO HELP ANYWAY...they ARE indoctrinating or educating, whichever your little senses can handle, a movement and mind set that would have an AFRICAN STATE IN AMERICA, not AFRICAN-AMERICAN, DO YOU GET IT YET...and another issue BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA GAVE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS TOO this extended arm of Jeremiah Wright and others, for 20 years...EVEN THOUGH CHARITY IS NOT A LARGE MONETARY CONSIDERATION OF HIS...COUPLE THAT WITH ACORN and his donation there, I'M SURE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH on this either but they will come out!!ON TOP OFthe NOT TO BE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT HIS OTHER CONNECTIONS ARE: LOUIS FARRAKHAN, have you heard of him or the self proclaimed Terrorist William Ayers, who you apparently attended some of his classes in the University of Illinois, cause you have the same appreciation for truth. Well, most people feel they have the right to bring this information to the public because when Terrorist are now teaching in our Institutions of higher Education, we are the only ones who will??

Number Four: Discernment takes looking at numerous circumstances surrounding a case and having the insight to question the outcome of each scenario?? Many are concerned that anyone who has the top military secrets and military might of the United States of America be above reproach. At this time in our History with the Radical Islamic Movement that has taken hold through their enormous population as well as tax funded Madrasses, not only in Europe but throughout American and the world, it is time to have the facts stated!! We have them and I am not comfortable having anyone with BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S CONNECTIONS IN THE OVAL OFFICE, PERIOD...SOMEONE WHO HAS OPENLY STATED HE WOULD GIVE CREDENCE TO A SELF PROCLAIMED IDIOT IN IRAN WHO REPEATEDLY STATES HE WILL ANNIHILATE ISRAEL AND THE GREAT SATAN, AMERICA, NOTWITHSTANDING PRAISES THOSE WHO ATTACKED US ON OUR SOIL, DID WE MENTION THAT... IF FACTS DON'T EFFECT YOU THEN I HOPE YOU ARE THE ONE TO SUFFER THE SHARIA LAWS AND HAVE TERRORIST ON YOUR STREETS NOT MINE.

Number Five: Educate yourself on Radical Islam and why they hate you...many Muslims are trying to tell you but you are relying on www.snopes.com and other sites with a totally different agenda for America!

Number Six: McCain will not cower to terrorist, he has been terrorized before, too bad you haven't for you would have sense enough to be fearful that truth is being silenced. That a man with Radical Theologies is being considered for the highest office in Land with all our lives at stake in a time when war has been waged by that radical element his past has embraced!!! Maybe, you won't tire of yours friends being blown up in the streets as in Europe by the same Jihad that blew up those in the Twin Towers, or are you tired of those as well??

Number Seven: It is the Leadership of America and the blessings of America at stake. There will be no peace until the Prince of Peace Returns...For no one will know what hour he may come??We can not fathom that a Holy War has been set against us, the Jihad, the Twin Towers should have brought you that reality, but as some say, you can't fix stupid...I shouldn't be so painfully blunt, I tried to say to myself, "there go I except by the grace of God" but then after reviewing your email, noottt...again, you can't fix stupid!!!But we are to be watchman and know the time and the season to discern our future. You better get your head out of the sand or other dirty locations before it is too late..

Again, I encourage you to read, start with the Colonial North's Congressional Hearings, then Facts on Barack Hussein Obama, it wouldn't hurt to read up on the Nation of Islam's American Leader Louis Farrakhan. The list goes on but I question if accuracy is your goal??

I'm proud to be voting against Barack Hussein Obama!! (What an idiot!!)

All I can say is OMG - This guy deserves to have McCain and Palin as his president/vp.

Maybe they can all move to Alaska when they withdrawl from the US with the Alaskan Independence Party.